What defines a 'modern classic'?

jc2    on 31 August 2007

OXYMORON. Modern & classic do not go together;used in adverts to try to justify inflated prices.

storme    on 31 August 2007

205 gti
golft gti mk I and mk II
mk iv supra
xr3i
rs turbo
saxo vts
mgf
bmw 325i mkII
celica
corrado vr6/g60
integra typr r

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Pugugly {P}    on 2 September 2007

Aerodynamic ? Why did they have to do a re-design soon after it was launched as the original one was 'opeless on Motorway crosswinds ?

Pugugly {P}    on 2 September 2007

Drag Coefficient of a Sierra 0.34
of a Renault 25 0.30

The Sierra was had a low drag factor but wasn't the lowest by far.

bell boy    on 2 September 2007

Aerodynamic ? Why did they have to do a re-design soon after it was launched

as the original one was 'opeless on Motorway crosswinds ?

in the usual ford book of updating the design they nailed some bits of plastic on the A posts to help the aerodynamics..........it worked too,pity they didnt do something with the dreadfull air ventilation system at the same time

sierraman    on 2 September 2007

Aerodynamic ? Why did they have to do a re-design soon after it was launched

as the original one was 'opeless on Motorway crosswinds ?

It had the lowest co-efficient of drag at the time,other cars of that era were as aerodynamic as a brick.

> last rear

wheel drive Ford

Granada-around the same vintage-Scorpio(different car,contrary to popular belief),wasn't really counting it,only 124000 built.

I drove a Sierra. Boring.
Anyone who thinks it's a classic needs to get out more and get a life.


Perhaps you didn't have a good one.I wouldn't consider a Morris 1000,I thought they were boring when they were still being made,now they are a classic,apparently.Just 'cos you don't agree with me you don't have to be insulting.

mrmender    on 2 September 2007

> last rear

wheel drive Ford

Europen Ford? WRONG what about Granada/Scorpio dare i say transit van too!

madf    on 2 September 2007

I drove a Sierra. Boring.
Anyone who thinks it's a classic needs to get out more and get a life.
madf

storme    on 2 September 2007

sierra sapphire cossie??
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Pugugly {P}    on 2 September 2007

cossie

fair enough

Badwolf    on 2 September 2007

'Classic' is surely a subjective word? What's good for a goose is good for a gander. No, wait.... Anyway, my way of thinking is that any car which was once common but now isn't should be considered, if not a classic, then certainly worth saving. How many cars have there been that you think 'Blimey, haven't seen one of those for ages!'? Until last summer I ran a 1983 Peugeot 505 GLD saloon as my everyday car and I loved it. Huge, very comfy, easily able to keep up with modern traffic and extremely good on fuel. I only sold it (to a very good home) as it was in excellent nick and I didn't have the facilties to keep it that way. Wish I'd kept it now.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you think your car (or one you hanker after) is a classic then nobody has the right to tell you it ain't. Enjoy your car and ignore those people who look down their noses at you. Would you really want to spend time with them anyway?

Incidentally, a friend of a friend went to a classic car show in his pristine 1975 Allegro Vanden Plas and was turned away at the gate and made to park in the car park just because he was in an Allegro. That is what really annoys me about some elements of the classic car movement.

gmac    on 2 September 2007

FIAT Coupe 20VT.
Simple enough to service yourself, out of production since 2000 and, if you can find a low mileage example, still viable as an everyday runner with ONLY £175 per yer road tax while putting out whatever you feel inclined to tune it to.

And they are still affordable.

PhilDews    on 2 September 2007

I've always had odd taste - cars, women, football teams, but for what its worth:

BMW 8-series
BMW 6-series (old mid 80s shape)

Range Rover Mk1 has some strange appeal

MGB (always had some strange lure)

Mazda MX-5 the original shape from the late 80s

Toyota MR2 - as above, the late 80s version, don't know why tho'!

mrmender    on 3 September 2007

I've always had odd taste - cars women football teams but for what its worth:

So come on spill the beans lets have your odd taste in women & football teams out in the open. They may be more interesting than the cars!

PhilDews    on 3 September 2007

Well, the football team side of things - Hartlepool United (despite living in Leeds as a child), FC Schalke 04 (Germany), and then Bishop Auckland of all teams....

As for women, well probably best not to go there!

Screwloose    on 3 September 2007

As for women, well probably best not to go there!

You've got that so, so, right.... Amen to that.

Bagpuss    on 3 September 2007

Well the football team side of things - Hartlepool United (despite living in Leeds as

a child) FC Schalke 04 (Germany) and then Bishop Auckland of all teams....

Schalke eh? Well, could be worse, at least they were nearly Bundesliga champions last season :-P.

I support TSV 1860 Muenchen, so the less said the better:-(

Anyway, back to cars. I'm sure my car will one day be a classic due to its combination of performance car ability, every day usability and (relatively) low numbers. I won't own it by then of course, because I'll have long since got bored of it and will have swapped it for something else.

Sofa Spud    on 3 September 2007

I interpret the term 'classic car' as any car that has virtually disappeared from general use on the roads and has become of interest because of its rarity value. The term makes no judgement on the merits of a car, only its age, rarity or interest value.

So an MG Montego Turbo will become a classic before ordinary Montegos, as they were more desirable (!) and rarer.

The Jaguar XK120 was undoubtedly a classic. When it was announced at the 1948 Motor Show, it was intended as a high-performance version of the base model XK100, which was to have a 4-cylinder version of the XK twin-cam engine. But nobody ordered the XK100, while orders flooded in for the XK120. So the XK100 never went into production. A few years ago several of the 4-cylinder engines were found in a corner of the Jaguar factory. If someone used one of these engines to re-create a Jaguar XK100, it might be more sought after as a collectors' item than an XK120, simply because although it would be a less exciting car to drive, it would have greater rarity value.